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this is James Randi and you're listening

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to the skeptic zone welcome to the

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skeptic zone the podcast from Australia

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yes it's the skeptic Zone episode number

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144 for the 23rd of July 2011 Richard

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Saunders here with you from Sydney

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Australia I think it's Sydney Australia

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I sort of had a funny feeling I was just

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in Las Vegas but no I guess this is

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Sydney Australia more about my tam

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adventure soon coming up on this week's

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show some great interviews from Tam the

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amazing meeting from the James Randi

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Educational Foundation there was a

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fantastic time which it could have been

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longer but there you go I interview dr.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson the famous

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astronomer and what a pleasure it was to

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meet Neil deGrasse Tyson that's coming

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up followed by a quick chat with our

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good friend and us correspondent for the

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skeptic zone travis roy from the Granite

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State skeptics now he's had an

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interesting experience lately handing

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out to sort of skeptical cards at a John

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Edwards psychic event I can't wait to

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find out more then we've got dr. Reggie

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reports and she catches up with the arm

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and Chen you may remember from the

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Survivor Series now yah man chan is of

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course now a leading skeptic some

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secrets from behind the survivor show

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coming up soon then to wrap up the show

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it's Maynard back again link me nods got

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a fat fixation right now because he

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speaks to Leslie wicks from the

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University of Newcastle about more

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research into fat yes fat she questions

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some previous research and she reminds

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us all to be on the lookout and not to

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be fooled by magic bullets in other

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words magic pills wondrous things

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that'll fix your problems on the spot

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but now let me let me cast my mind back

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is that lovely sound you hear is the

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sound of the south point casino and spa

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in Las Vegas giant giant downstairs area

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like three aircraft hangars full of slot

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machines and barns and racing videos are

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amazing site constant movement constant

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noise skeptics 24 hours a day well for

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me this whole time experience was like a

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dream after putting out the last episode

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of the skeptics earn my brother kindly

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drove me to the airport I found myself

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on that Delta jet flying over the

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pacific got some sleep got a little bit

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of sleep landed in la got through

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customs super quick thinking oh maybe I

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can catch an early flight to Las Vegas

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no early flight was full okay SAT around

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the delta lounge for a few hours wow

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that's like watching paint dry finally

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got on that plane to Las Vegas and that

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ship seemed to be a long time because I

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was so keen to get to town got off the

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plane at Las Vegas ran out join the very

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long taxi queue oh boy finally made it

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to the hotel checked in raced up to my

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room quick shower change of clothes

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scrub up and then straight down to the

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convention itself i think i was really

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firing on adrenaline within an hour of

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being there and catching up with as many

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people as I could on the spot I was Oh

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taken away to interview Neil deGrasse

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Tyson and that interviews coming up very

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soon after that it was back to the

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skeptic zone skip toid table to chat

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then I'm afraid things turned into a bit

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of a blur of meeting people and catching

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up with James Randi and lots of hugs all

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around next thing I know I'm at the

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skeptics guide to the universe dinner

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are where they invited me to be the

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auctioneer that night had a great time

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and I helped raise a lot of money for

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the our dear friends at the skeptics

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guide to the universe

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makes vague memory I have is being done

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at the del mar bar a quick drink a quick

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chat to some friends and then to bed I

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did get a good night's sleep and then

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very groggy saturday i was on me getting

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things done panel which was a lot of fun

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which went over very well and then I

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lunch with james randi I think chatted

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with as many people as I could had a

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lots of skeptics own fans come up to say

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hello which was fantastic photographs

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everywhere some more fun and my memory

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really fizzles into a blur of friends

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photographs choreographs and i'm not

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sure what happened i think i ended up in

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the del mar bar that night for some

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drinks were friends but that night when

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am i found myself back downstairs trying

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we come to Sunday my last day and sunday

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was the case of catching as many of the

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area which wasn't many again chatting

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with people and then my memories sort of

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the afternoon dr. Richie and myself

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found ourselves on the shuttle bus being

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flight from Las Vegas to Los Angeles few

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hours layover in Los Angeles than the

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overnight flight back to Sydney and it

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was as if I dreamt the whole experience

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but you know what I didn't dream this

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experience it was real

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amongst all the blur of excitement and

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running around I did manage to get some

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interviews so did dr. H E and all those

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people I didn't get to spend time with

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people I wanted to spend time with and

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have a nice long conversation I just

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didn't have the time let's make the time

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next year I can't wait for Tam 10 dr.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson is an American

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astrophysicist science communicator and

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Hayden Planetarium at the Rose Center

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for Earth and space and a research

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Natural History Wow he's also a very

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popular television science communicator

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has seen on Nova on PBS I was lucky

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enough to catch up with dr. Neil

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and now I'm delighted to say we are

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speaking with dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

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now what a pleasure it is to see you

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here in tam Las Vegas thanks for having

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me thanks we absolutely my dive into

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Australia but I think it's on my

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schedule this coming fall really yeah

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really I'm Bob that i'll be speaking a

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big thing i think it's called big thing

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are you going to thank Martha think big

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adventure if you're thinking Thank big

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I've you probably familiar we may have a

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mutual friend in dr phil plait yes the

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bad astronomer and he was in Australia

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or number of years ago the bad is drawn

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say it right I was my pleasure to show

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him the Magellanic Clouds and he had a

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shall we say in the flesh with the naked

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eye so that's something I guess you'd

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look forward to I've been in the

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southern hemisphere before but just not

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to Australia so I I've been in South

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Africa let's get you the same sky okay

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Southern Cross and all this oh yeah yeah

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rhombus people where's the star at the

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transept there is none well you see

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going to be careful now because this is

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a now national flag and is it the

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australian one or is it one of those

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flags down there cheats and puts an

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extra star I think it's the instrument

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help it out ya see that well that's the

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confession this neat that's editing that

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before rhombus stars of the Southern

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work in Australia we just make it make

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it work I didn't write back on that

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little extra bit of glitter I know what

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the way we're here in Vegas and the

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biggest billboards in town or the

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Thunder from Down Under I notice the the

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partially dressed men yea dance shaking

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that I've been working out the sudden

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you have some ways I think right now

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states of course for your television

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outreach and I think you're on do things

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respected institution yes in American

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life movie we don't have in science

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education as well absolutely we don't

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run by the government which does carry

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some of PBS programming but what

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intrigues me is a man in your position

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being able to do that is that a

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particular joy in life at particular

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thrill I contrary to what it might look

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like or what people would want to

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believe when given the choice I'd rather

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just stay home and play with my kids so

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this anytime I'm seen in public in this

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way either on television and or giving

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talks it's not so much that I seek it

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public's appetite for the cosmos and I

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get called upon and so I I serve that

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need right I'm not actually seeking it

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out I'd rather stay home and write my

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next book for example would be research

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really play with the kids and go out

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with the wife yeah to Broadway you know

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this sort of thing I'm the family guy so

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the primarily and so the the time that

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it takes away from my family when I'm

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traveling to give talks it's because

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there's a pressing need for Society for

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the region for the group and so in like

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as I said in that sense I'm a servant

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I try to be the best i can write it

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doesn't matter that I'd rather be home

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if I'm out there doing it I'm going to

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try to be as good at that as I can

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possibly be and that involves primarily

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something that I think many people

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what's going on in the mind the person

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a part that's what distinguishes a

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lecture from a lecturer from a

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communicator a lecturer you walk in with

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your lesson plan and you just deliver it

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any anything yeah all right but there's

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no premise that that presentation is

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thinking about how you might be learning

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that material now there are people who

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are good learners out there and it

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doesn't matter who's presenting the

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material they'll get it these are the

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straight-a students they got straight

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they get higher grades for the better

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teachers and lower grades for the lesser

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teacher but they get straight A's no

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matter who's teaching them so that as a

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factor it illuminates the fact that some

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people learn on their own and don't

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really need much help that's true it but

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it's the rest of everyone else where the

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quality of the teaching matters and in

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that realm and that regime I think long

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and hard about who my audience is and

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how they think and what matters to them

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and how much TV do they watch and what

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movies might they have seen and are they

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wealthy are they impoverished are they

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oppressed are they entitled are they you

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know what is the slice of demographics

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that they represent and then I bring all

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that I know to bear on that specific

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slice and some of that is trial and

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error I might be explaining the universe

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and I'll be monitoring the person

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whether the person smiles or raises

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their eyebrows or looks interested and

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wants to hear more I'm making mental

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notes of the words I was using the

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phrases I was putting together the

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sentences I was uttering to see the

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causes and effects of their facial

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reactions to what I said like mine rhyme

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no doubt oh sure oh yeah yeah yeah yeah

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I know you have a wry smile when you

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said when I'm explaining the universal

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do you know of course so that so that

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matters and I think it doesn't matter to

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enough people out there who would want

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to count themselves among the ranks of

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educator now how does that then impact

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or shall I say sway or make you think

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hot about your television presentation

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television was very hard for me because

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there is no audience that you can see I

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had to transition from delivering

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lectures to roomfuls of people where you

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can see the reaction to what you're

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saying monitor it and make mid-course

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adjustments yes as necessary a TV camera

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offers no such feedback yeah and so I

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had to have enough experience thinking

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about how they would react and then

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deliver that content to TV camera yeah

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so it I have to trust my sense of it

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before I take those steps and I'd rather

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have it staring at me in the face it's

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more advil confidence that way I can

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really understand that right so the so

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TV it's a different medium I actually

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agreed to do a 12-part course in

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astrophysics called my favorite universe

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for what's called the Teaching Company

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it it's an audio-video course you'd

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listen to it or watch it you know while

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you're you know cooking dinner or

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something it's a way to continue your

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educational trajectory and it's not and

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I gave a very short course only 12

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classes they record professors giving

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you know 60 you know yeah 8090 classes

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and it's a way as an adult to continue

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to educate yourself in all branches of

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academic study I agree to do that as a

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stepping stone between lecturing to

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lecture halls and delivering like talks

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to a camera

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thing right because in that they

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actually was that a cute little system

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where when you're delivering your talks

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they don't film you in a real classroom

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they film you in a studio but they're

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three or four chairs in that studio and

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as employees of the company you can sign

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up and be in the audience of the

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subjects that you like the most and so

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there's a middle there's a little bit of

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an audience there to help me transition

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okay and I think I make great strides in

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that that helped me look at a camera

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lens and be comfortable doing so that's

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that's very interesting here and of

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course there's always the danger that

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you'll get gushing feedback when you do

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TV and sometimes you have to wonder your

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self or people are just happy or excited

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because they're meeting something on

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television or they they really felt and

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learn and gain from yeah I have mild

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statistics on that it's easy to it's

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more polite to comment that you like

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something yeah I meant that it sucks yes

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so the data are biased towards you

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thinking that you did a good job yeah

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yeah in anything you do it's biased and

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it's a politeness bias you want to call

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it that and in so I try to always have a

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self-assessment that's more severe than

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what anyone else would levy on to me

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yeah and in that way if I feel I did

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something good every it's really good

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all right whereas just because someone

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else tells me it's good that's not for

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me to measure that it's good yeah I if

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I'm more strict than everybody else then

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all I have to do satisfy myself and I'll

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know I'm doing well do you find that

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you've been getting good feedback

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generally from from the audience not

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from the executives not from the

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internet and the era of Twitter because

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I've have a Twitter stream in the last

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year and a half two years when I finally

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figured out how and why I should use

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Twitter yes I tweet little cosmic

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tidbits and I see people's reactions to

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them I don't tweet what I'm having for

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breakfast yes in the park now

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Lucy Harry Potter who's game no I'm an

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educator I'm a scientist I've got stuff

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to say about the universe and so that's

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what I started doing and I watch

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people's reactions depending on the

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nature of the information and how it was

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presented so they have q's into what

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excites people and what does not well

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what excites them in one way versus

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another in the era of the Twitter my

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Twitter stream I feel that when I'm in

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front of an audience I am deeply

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connected to their to their emotions to

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to their feelings to their to their

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sense of awareness knowledge and

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appreciation the material there they're

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being that I'm sharing with them so it

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was simply extended my access into the

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mind of the listener that's interesting

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yes interest and again is that feedback

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to feed us very very twitter is

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instantaneous oh it is yeah even when I

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put it where I had for lunch I know what

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I wish to have for lunch well I think

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we're getting the hard it was a very

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tight afternoon here yeah it is it's

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you're a man as much in demand I dr.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson water other pleasure

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was too well thank you a quick chat with

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you thank you and and like i said i'll

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be in australia by for my first time

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this fall and we look forward look

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forward to seeing you guys believe that

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the Thunder from Down Under folks here

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this is an EVP I recorded last night how

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you doing I'm a ghost what's up you guys

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can't possibly ignore that type of it

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who are you we're doing my EVPs of the

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result of pareidolia I'm cross

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modulation combined with the listeners

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hopes and expectations what does this

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have to do with science I you could just

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got skeptically phone well go see you

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skeptically poems jaja wear sunscreen

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day it's in the next it's Saturday here

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at tam las vegas and i'm at least and

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this table of skip tied with brian

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dunning i'm brian dunning from skeptic

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calm you see I don't lie and I'm with

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travis roy hi Travis hey how's it going

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Richard I'm doing pretty good now I

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wanted to catch up with you because you

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had some interesting success lately when

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the sort of a protest you were involved

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with can you tell listeners about that

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yeah of course um we were alerted by one

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of our co-founders that John Edward was

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going to be doing a performance in

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Manchester New Hampshire and we worked

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with the venue the Palace Theater to do

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a protest and what we did was as people

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went in to go see the show we gave them

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a psychic bingo card and it had a list

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of common cold reading terms and they

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were what we did was we told them that

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it was to help them remember what was

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said during the show right it was an

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800-seat theater and we handed out over

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500 bingo cards so we didn't actually

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find out if anybody if John Edward

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noticed or if anybody yelled bingo or if

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anything happened but we we assume that

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he had to have noticed because it was

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just too large of a percentage of people

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then we went and got dinner and then

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after we had these rational guide to

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psychic pamphlets that we were handing

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out and it went really well we actually

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had people that came out after the show

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looking for us and talked to us about

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what what happened in the show and

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about cold reading and things like that

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Dale my wife and the vice president of

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Granite State skeptics she got into a

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little bit of an altercation with one

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person where they told her that she was

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stupid and to go protest animal cruelty

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what's the harm in this but other than

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that it was it was a really big success

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and you've got some media attention I

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understand yes another one of our

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members is a writer for the national

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Telegraph which is a smaller newspaper

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and he had one of the reporters come and

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interview us and we actually made the

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bottom half of the front page of the

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newspaper when test yes it went really

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really well yeah so I know that was also

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mentioned online there's a link where

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can people go to find out more about

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this activity if they go to Granite

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State skeptics org we have a story about

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everything we did and further details

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and I link to the national Telegraph

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stories congratulations Travis skeptical

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activism that's the luck that's what we

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hey guys this is jay from the skeptics

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guide to the universe er well held on

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whoa everybody knows I'm the only reason

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to listen to the Freak Show right I mean

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it was up to me the show would start

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with this yeah boy well Rebecca would

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hate that probably but I mean I'd rock

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that listen to our show and you can

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learn about cool stuff like a

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technological singularity which is

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someday when technology progresses so

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fast that it would make the Industrial

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Revolution look like a kid science

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project anyway come check us out at WWDC

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epic sky org get your son now it's time

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for dr. Rachel reports with dr. Rachel

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Dunlop i'm here at tam nine in las vegas

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and with me now is young men change some

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of you may know him from Survivor but

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he's not just a TV star he's got a lot

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of other stuff going on hi Yemen hi nice

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to meet you finally nice to meet you too

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listening to you on the skeptic zone for

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so many years and finally I get to meet

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you in person and talk to you well

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that's been watching you on TV for years

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so it's really cool to meet you as well

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so you were one of my favorite

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characters in Survivor characters pit

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people but before we get into that let's

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just talk a little bit about your

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background because you're actually you

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have a life outside of being survivor do

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you work in ite can you tell us a little

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bit about what yes my actual formal

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training was in physics i got my degree

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in physics at MIT and a graduate degree

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in scientific instrumentation but in the

539
00:25:42,180 --> 00:25:40,420
time of the in the 80s and so on and the

540
00:25:45,180 --> 00:25:42,190
rise of the network i saw the switch to

541
00:25:47,490 --> 00:25:45,190
computers and network and now i am the

542
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:47,500
chief technology officer for the college

543
00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:48,880
of chemistry at the university of

544
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:51,310
california berkeley so i'm basically the

545
00:25:54,740 --> 00:25:53,290
head geek for the cause of chemistry the

546
00:25:57,870 --> 00:25:54,750
head gate

547
00:26:00,270 --> 00:25:57,880
so you actually you were kind of

548
00:26:02,580 --> 00:26:00,280
portrayed as the geek in survival with

549
00:26:04,290 --> 00:26:02,590
you because you were in two series one

550
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:04,300
was micronesia that was the first one

551
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:07,840
and then fans vs. no I was in let's see

552
00:26:12,090 --> 00:26:10,090
the first season I was in Fiji alpha by

553
00:26:14,030 --> 00:26:12,100
the fuji and then the and then i was

554
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:14,040
called back a year later offense vs.

555
00:26:20,850 --> 00:26:17,200
favors which was on filmed on micronesia

556
00:26:22,530 --> 00:26:20,860
pull out I love flowers so tell us a

557
00:26:24,900 --> 00:26:22,540
little bit about the process how do you

558
00:26:26,730 --> 00:26:24,910
actually apply to get into survivor well

559
00:26:29,550 --> 00:26:26,740
I was one of the fortunate people who

560
00:26:32,010 --> 00:26:29,560
got recruited many of the cast members

561
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:32,020
that we could it because for a show like

562
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:34,090
survivor to be interesting they need a

563
00:26:38,820 --> 00:26:36,880
combination of characters a lot of

564
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:38,830
people who apply to this shows are like

565
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:40,690
20 something like mail from the Midwest

566
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:43,570
of the US and so they needed diversity

567
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:46,240
in older people they need agents and so

568
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:48,640
on so being an older asian they got two

569
00:26:56,460 --> 00:26:51,970
for one then when they got me so I was

570
00:26:59,550 --> 00:26:56,470
approached by a producer who asked me if

571
00:27:01,620 --> 00:26:59,560
I interested if I know anything about

572
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:01,630
survivor and I say yeah but I don't

573
00:27:06,030 --> 00:27:04,720
watch TV very much but I I didn't watch

574
00:27:08,490 --> 00:27:06,040
the first season because it was still

575
00:27:10,830 --> 00:27:08,500
either born you and I grew up in Borneo

576
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:10,840
so she got very interested and call me

577
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:13,600
back a few times and I got on so I'm

578
00:27:18,420 --> 00:27:16,320
very fortunate so what's the process of

579
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:18,430
before they actually let you know that

580
00:27:21,150 --> 00:27:19,360
you're on do you have to go through

581
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:21,160
interviews and tests and what do you

582
00:27:26,130 --> 00:27:23,050
have to do here is a very extensive

583
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:26,140
interview process so the last face of

584
00:27:29,790 --> 00:27:27,730
the interview when they're down to 50

585
00:27:32,010 --> 00:27:29,800
people just for reference they have like

586
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:32,020
twenty to thirty thousand applicants you

587
00:27:36,690 --> 00:27:34,690
know every after every season and so

588
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:36,700
when they down to the 50 applicants we

589
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:40,530
were sort of sequestered in a hotel in

590
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:43,810
santa monica california and you know

591
00:27:49,940 --> 00:27:46,000
locked in the rooms and we're called out

592
00:27:52,050 --> 00:27:49,950
for interviews and physical examination

593
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:52,060
product and product I didn't know

594
00:27:56,010 --> 00:27:53,440
there's so many tests you can do it

595
00:27:57,690 --> 00:27:56,020
urine and blood haha they don't want you

596
00:27:59,930 --> 00:27:57,700
to die on this show right and then they

597
00:28:02,299 --> 00:27:59,940
get psychological profile testing

598
00:28:05,570 --> 00:28:02,309
so on and then to get get interview by

599
00:28:08,299 --> 00:28:05,580
Matt Burnett except executive producer

600
00:28:10,580 --> 00:28:08,309
and Jeff Probst in the handsome so you

601
00:28:13,820 --> 00:28:10,590
were one of the oldest people on the

602
00:28:16,369 --> 00:28:13,830
show at that time weren't you and so

603
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:16,379
what is the process once you what do

604
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:17,610
they do they just dumped you on a beach

605
00:28:23,749 --> 00:28:22,320
so well once you have been selected but

606
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:23,759
they never tell you you're really

607
00:28:28,490 --> 00:28:26,090
selected they tell you your potential

608
00:28:31,610 --> 00:28:28,500
contestant and then a couple weeks

609
00:28:33,649 --> 00:28:31,620
before they send you off you're supposed

610
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:33,659
to send them clothes that they will you

611
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:35,250
know keep the ones they want you to wear

612
00:28:39,470 --> 00:28:36,720
and then they send the respect to you

613
00:28:41,419 --> 00:28:39,480
and then you airline tickets show up and

614
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:41,429
you're supposed to unify with them to

615
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:44,159
every Islanders and there's a staging so

616
00:28:47,899 --> 00:28:45,840
there's like three days of staging where

617
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:47,909
you know that you get acclimated to the

618
00:28:53,899 --> 00:28:51,210
time zone and they you know we do all

619
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:53,909
the publicity shots at that time but we

620
00:28:58,580 --> 00:28:55,919
were not allowed to talk to other

621
00:29:00,080 --> 00:28:58,590
contestants we could not even look at

622
00:29:01,369 --> 00:29:00,090
them for more than 30 seconds we are

623
00:29:03,139 --> 00:29:01,379
being yelled at and starting to be

624
00:29:04,610 --> 00:29:03,149
thrown out the show because really so

625
00:29:06,860 --> 00:29:04,620
when you saw us meeting each other

626
00:29:08,299 --> 00:29:06,870
introducing each other on the island

627
00:29:10,460 --> 00:29:08,309
that's the first time we talked to each

628
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:10,470
other oh really even after even after

629
00:29:15,409 --> 00:29:12,690
we've spent a week with them right now

630
00:29:17,899 --> 00:29:15,419
wait so what was the he went to plow

631
00:29:19,399 --> 00:29:17,909
well what was the the situation like

632
00:29:21,769 --> 00:29:19,409
what was the beach like what do they

633
00:29:23,299 --> 00:29:21,779
give you when it's the in both the

634
00:29:24,980 --> 00:29:23,309
Fijian and philosophies and yet the

635
00:29:27,259 --> 00:29:24,990
beach is still very nice the water is

636
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:27,269
very warm and that's why they have to do

637
00:29:33,860 --> 00:29:29,250
it in tropical island right now I still

638
00:29:35,509 --> 00:29:33,870
died for eating yeah but we were given

639
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:35,519
two depending on how they start to sees

640
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:37,440
himself examine the Fiji seas and we

641
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:40,049
would just divided into two tribes one

642
00:29:44,749 --> 00:29:41,850
with everything one with nothing where

643
00:29:46,909 --> 00:29:44,759
we're just given a part in the machete a

644
00:29:50,060 --> 00:29:46,919
big knife and we're supposed to do it

645
00:29:51,919 --> 00:29:50,070
but on those Islands it's easy to

646
00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:51,929
survive really I mean their coconuts

647
00:29:57,710 --> 00:29:55,049
everywhere and there's you know protein

648
00:29:59,210 --> 00:29:57,720
this sea snails right so they know you

649
00:30:01,970 --> 00:29:59,220
won't die

650
00:30:03,770 --> 00:30:01,980
but you you grew up in Borneo you

651
00:30:05,299 --> 00:30:03,780
mentioned so that sort of tropical

652
00:30:07,340 --> 00:30:05,309
weather you're kind of used to that

653
00:30:08,930 --> 00:30:07,350
right so i did have been vantage going

654
00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:08,940
out in Borneo I got used to the weather

655
00:30:13,220 --> 00:30:10,980
I understand how to open up coconut

656
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:13,230
without spilling all those water and so

657
00:30:16,970 --> 00:30:15,090
on yes because you were telling me last

658
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,980
night that there was a particular part

659
00:30:20,570 --> 00:30:18,240
where there was a box that the

660
00:30:23,270 --> 00:30:20,580
contestants are trying to open and he

661
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:23,280
said they tell us that so so the

662
00:30:29,060 --> 00:30:26,250
beginning of the Fiji season was that an

663
00:30:32,539 --> 00:30:29,070
airplane flew over and drop a box on the

664
00:30:34,490 --> 00:30:32,549
beach and in the box was the map to

665
00:30:36,770 --> 00:30:34,500
where the whale is and some tools to

666
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:36,780
build a shelter and so on and all the

667
00:30:40,370 --> 00:30:38,850
big burly guys go out and try and open

668
00:30:42,110 --> 00:30:40,380
up the box what you got dropped from the

669
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:42,120
plane of course is really well you know

670
00:30:46,700 --> 00:30:45,120
nailed together they spend what 45

671
00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:46,710
minutes trying to open on the show you

672
00:30:50,570 --> 00:30:48,510
saw them just trying a few minutes but

673
00:30:52,340 --> 00:30:50,580
in real life was like 45 minutes they

674
00:30:54,289 --> 00:30:52,350
were jumping on it like big gorillas and

675
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:54,299
so on they never succeed and open and so

676
00:30:59,299 --> 00:30:56,370
I didn't want to say anything because

677
00:31:01,549 --> 00:30:59,309
being the older guy and I owe this guy

678
00:31:03,140 --> 00:31:01,559
in that season I know the young guys

679
00:31:04,700 --> 00:31:03,150
don't want an old guy telling them what

680
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:04,710
to do so I just stood back and watched

681
00:31:09,529 --> 00:31:06,570
them until they gave up and said what

682
00:31:12,020 --> 00:31:09,539
can I try so I step up there and I sort

683
00:31:13,820 --> 00:31:12,030
of bang the box on the two opposite

684
00:31:16,340 --> 00:31:13,830
diagonally opposite corners on a big

685
00:31:18,590 --> 00:31:16,350
rock and the thing opened up so suddenly

686
00:31:20,570 --> 00:31:18,600
I'm the genius I go well you know isn't

687
00:31:23,450 --> 00:31:20,580
it obvious that all the expensive

688
00:31:25,130 --> 00:31:23,460
luggages luggage you can buy have their

689
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:25,140
corners reinforced because that's the

690
00:31:31,010 --> 00:31:29,039
weak point yes so that kind of gave you

691
00:31:32,930 --> 00:31:31,020
I guess an advantage but also a

692
00:31:35,690 --> 00:31:32,940
disadvantage because then people figured

693
00:31:37,820 --> 00:31:35,700
out that you are actually smart right so

694
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:37,830
in terms of you surviving that could

695
00:31:43,340 --> 00:31:39,600
have been a threat if that that's a trap

696
00:31:45,020 --> 00:31:43,350
but because most of the people on the in

697
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:45,030
that season were really you know sort of

698
00:31:50,180 --> 00:31:47,039
city folks who probably haven't been to

699
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:50,190
ever camping even and I thought that the

700
00:31:57,260 --> 00:31:54,570
way I would stay long is to be useful so

701
00:31:59,390 --> 00:31:57,270
I spent a lot of time in a boiling water

702
00:32:02,000 --> 00:31:59,400
for them cooking and you know just being

703
00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:02,010
useful and stay low when we're in the

704
00:32:06,260 --> 00:32:04,200
tribal situation where if we lose a

705
00:32:06,970 --> 00:32:06,270
challenge as a tribe you do not want to

706
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:06,980
be [\h__\h]

707
00:32:12,490 --> 00:32:09,440
the person who is the cost for losing

708
00:32:15,010 --> 00:32:12,500
the challenge so and making myself being

709
00:32:17,020 --> 00:32:15,020
the provider and and and just doing

710
00:32:18,909 --> 00:32:17,030
things for them then they felt that oh

711
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:18,919
you know we should keep it around

712
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:21,049
because he's not a threat because you

713
00:32:25,210 --> 00:32:23,360
were the nerd that everybody loved I

714
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:25,220
mean and I guess that's why they asked

715
00:32:30,610 --> 00:32:27,010
you to come back for favorites because

716
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:30,620
the nerd cheer squad out there watching

717
00:32:34,900 --> 00:32:33,290
you were going go yo man cuz like to say

718
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:34,910
there were these big burly guys are like

719
00:32:39,460 --> 00:32:37,130
but you were the smart guy because he

720
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:39,470
you apply draw I guess you applied some

721
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:41,450
critical thinking skills to tasks to me

722
00:32:45,940 --> 00:32:44,450
yeah because I know that muscle muscle

723
00:32:48,370 --> 00:32:45,950
there's no way I could compete with

724
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:48,380
these you know big guys and as far as

725
00:32:51,730 --> 00:32:49,970
when it comes to handsome youth and

726
00:32:55,630 --> 00:32:51,740
beauty there a lot of your beautiful

727
00:32:58,030 --> 00:32:55,640
looking women there and so I I guess the

728
00:33:00,340 --> 00:32:58,040
way I had to deal with it was was to say

729
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:00,350
look I need to think through all these

730
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:02,090
challenges that they look like the boot

731
00:33:05,919 --> 00:33:03,440
force but there's really not i mean

732
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:05,929
anybody have a chance to win that if you

733
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:08,240
just think about how to do this properly

734
00:33:12,340 --> 00:33:10,850
and apply you know signs and so on i

735
00:33:14,049 --> 00:33:12,350
could get by and i end up you know

736
00:33:15,970 --> 00:33:14,059
winning quite a lot of challenges when

737
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:15,980
it comes to the individual challenges

738
00:33:21,220 --> 00:33:18,290
yeah but you didn't win there in the end

739
00:33:23,770 --> 00:33:21,230
digium ya know but but in the end it's

740
00:33:25,390 --> 00:33:23,780
really a social game and i didn't

741
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:25,400
realize that that's where I made my

742
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:27,919
mistake I went in game thinking some

743
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:30,049
kind of game theory strategic games and

744
00:33:35,890 --> 00:33:34,010
thought strategics you know Li

745
00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:35,900
insistence on was not it really is a

746
00:33:40,210 --> 00:33:38,360
social game because in the six weeks we

747
00:33:42,010 --> 00:33:40,220
were together on the island I didn't get

748
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:42,020
to know the people right if I have

749
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:45,049
talked to them dig into the background

750
00:33:49,390 --> 00:33:47,210
the life and so on I would have known

751
00:33:51,610 --> 00:33:49,400
that this person I have you know so deal

752
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:51,620
with I shouldn't trust him it turned out

753
00:33:56,860 --> 00:33:53,890
he had a very harsh life growing up

754
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:56,870
dumpster diving for lunch for with his

755
00:34:00,730 --> 00:33:58,370
brothers and so if I've known that I

756
00:34:02,110 --> 00:34:00,740
would not have put a trust on to

757
00:34:03,850 --> 00:34:02,120
somebody like that but I didn't know

758
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:03,860
because I was not a good social player

759
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:06,410
and so a survivor in the end it's a

760
00:34:11,770 --> 00:34:08,720
social game hmm but you did get to the

761
00:34:16,390 --> 00:34:11,780
final three in the phage a series

762
00:34:18,220 --> 00:34:16,400
what happens and dreamed to make a deal

763
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:18,230
with me where I gave him the truck

764
00:34:22,780 --> 00:34:20,570
earlier on that when we get to the final

765
00:34:24,399 --> 00:34:22,790
if he wins the immunity he would give it

766
00:34:26,860 --> 00:34:24,409
to me while he went back on his words

767
00:34:29,380 --> 00:34:26,870
and don't give me back the try not know

768
00:34:31,210 --> 00:34:29,390
he did it in good faith and you know

769
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:31,220
they voted me out but that's all right

770
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:34,330
but there was a big gas guzzler anyway

771
00:34:40,419 --> 00:34:39,050
so when you got back um you you now have

772
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,429
a connection with brian dunning which I

773
00:34:44,919 --> 00:34:42,159
guess is kind of why you're here yes

774
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:44,929
three escaped ologist how did you get

775
00:34:50,590 --> 00:34:46,970
involved well I have been listening to

776
00:34:52,899 --> 00:34:50,600
the sceptile podcast for a while so when

777
00:34:54,340 --> 00:34:52,909
I came back to the filming it's over six

778
00:34:56,530 --> 00:34:54,350
weeks period so I've been away for six

779
00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:56,540
weeks and when I came back the first

780
00:35:01,840 --> 00:34:58,610
thing I do is catch up on all the you

781
00:35:05,170 --> 00:35:01,850
know SGU and sceptile podcast and so on

782
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:05,180
so and in one of the podcast Brian

783
00:35:10,930 --> 00:35:07,370
Dunning was talking about trying to do a

784
00:35:13,090 --> 00:35:10,940
movie and he was recruiting for you know

785
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:13,100
physicists engineers and so on to help

786
00:35:18,190 --> 00:35:15,890
him out and so I wrote him I said you

787
00:35:20,530 --> 00:35:18,200
know I did not say that I'm a survivor I

788
00:35:22,420 --> 00:35:20,540
just said you know I heard from the

789
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:22,430
skeptic podcast that you're looking so I

790
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:24,410
gave him my qualification at the degree

791
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:26,000
in physics at MIT I work as an

792
00:35:30,250 --> 00:35:28,400
instrumentation engineer and so on and

793
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:30,260
so it turned out that Brian Dunning it's

794
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:33,650
a huge survivor fan oh really and he he

795
00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:36,170
wasn't sure is really for me right so he

796
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:37,910
actually called me and say is this

797
00:35:44,410 --> 00:35:41,450
really humid it is and he's I'm a huge

798
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:44,420
fan is also so he gave me a topic but i

799
00:35:48,010 --> 00:35:46,370
still have to have you do an audition so

800
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:48,020
he asked me to do an audition and say

801
00:35:52,990 --> 00:35:51,650
send me a three-minute tape of you i'll

802
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:53,000
give you a subject in the subject he

803
00:35:57,940 --> 00:35:55,010
gave me was ok tell me everything about

804
00:36:00,250 --> 00:35:57,950
you know the evils of your radiation

805
00:36:01,750 --> 00:36:00,260
from your cell phone so i did a three

806
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:01,760
minute thing about you know cell phones

807
00:36:05,940 --> 00:36:02,800
non-ionizing

808
00:36:07,020 --> 00:36:05,950
really not a big deal and in twist and I

809
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:07,030
said yeah but you know there is

810
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:08,890
something you need to worry about your

811
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:10,330
cell phones that make sure you have the

812
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:12,730
proper calling plan otherwise you have a

813
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:15,370
huge pain in your wallet at the monster

814
00:36:21,060 --> 00:36:18,010
anyway so I you know I was asked to join

815
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:21,070
the cast apologist and so what is

816
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:22,570
happening with khattala gist is not

817
00:36:27,450 --> 00:36:24,640
being picked up isn't yes it's very

818
00:36:29,370 --> 00:36:27,460
difficult to to get a show on I mean the

819
00:36:33,540 --> 00:36:29,380
hundreds of thousands of shows people

820
00:36:35,580 --> 00:36:33,550
are pitching and so at this time they

821
00:36:37,950 --> 00:36:35,590
have given up pitching the show to

822
00:36:41,610 --> 00:36:37,960
commercial TV so they're looking at

823
00:36:43,980 --> 00:36:41,620
trying to pitch it to public

824
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:43,990
broadcasting PBS so their time to write

825
00:36:49,470 --> 00:36:46,240
grand so shows on PBS have to have you

826
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:49,480
know sponsors usually private

827
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:51,370
foundations educational foundations and

828
00:36:55,590 --> 00:36:52,720
so on shows like Nova and so on are

829
00:36:57,570 --> 00:36:55,600
sponsored by Carnegie Mellon accounting

830
00:36:59,790 --> 00:36:57,580
a foundation and so on so they're trying

831
00:37:02,910 --> 00:36:59,800
to write proposals to do that and

832
00:37:06,660 --> 00:37:02,920
because of that i have taken myself out

833
00:37:08,250 --> 00:37:06,670
of the show and i would be helping

834
00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:08,260
behind the scene and maybe make

835
00:37:14,580 --> 00:37:11,710
occasional appearance because the TV

836
00:37:17,310 --> 00:37:14,590
audience the viewership for the PBS

837
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:17,320
public television network in the u.s. is

838
00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:19,450
very different than the viewership for

839
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:21,910
the commercial TV so my presence that do

840
00:37:29,010 --> 00:37:23,890
not add anything to in fact they detract

841
00:37:31,740 --> 00:37:29,020
from it because in the public's TV world

842
00:37:34,350 --> 00:37:31,750
right that the viewership more towards

843
00:37:37,860 --> 00:37:34,360
to you know sort of educated and a

844
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:37,870
little bit higher on education scale for

845
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:39,730
not too much of a star right thank you

846
00:37:46,170 --> 00:37:41,680
so much then it is sort of the reality

847
00:37:49,590 --> 00:37:46,180
TV the d-list celebrity did not add

848
00:37:52,350 --> 00:37:49,600
anything else Olivia it detracts from it

849
00:37:53,820 --> 00:37:52,360
so so you know I said no then take me

850
00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:53,830
out of it so that you get a better

851
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:56,110
chance of selling this to PBS Lucy what

852
00:37:59,100 --> 00:37:58,000
happened I mean are we still working you

853
00:38:01,290 --> 00:37:59,110
know help them behind you seeing they

854
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:01,300
need any advice to do instrumentation

855
00:38:05,730 --> 00:38:04,240
and so on oh that's fantastic well yeah

856
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:05,740
man where GM a website or something

857
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:06,970
where our listeners can find out more

858
00:38:11,070 --> 00:38:09,370
about what you did no I I'm on Wikipedia

859
00:38:12,690 --> 00:38:11,080
but I gave up trying to trying to

860
00:38:14,010 --> 00:38:12,700
correct it because every time I correct

861
00:38:15,630 --> 00:38:14,020
something is wrong somebody else we

862
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:15,640
corrected me so obviously there are

863
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:17,530
people out there who knows me better

864
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:20,770
than me but I I used to write for the

865
00:38:25,140 --> 00:38:23,680
skeptics blog and I have stopped for a

866
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:25,150
while because my mom was sick for a

867
00:38:29,940 --> 00:38:27,610
while and now that I'm she passed away

868
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:29,950
last year earlier this year so I would

869
00:38:36,210 --> 00:38:32,710
be back up writing the blog says skeptic

870
00:38:38,010 --> 00:38:36,220
blog I did you know about a year of

871
00:38:40,530 --> 00:38:38,020
blogging there and I will continue to

872
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:40,540
I'll pick it up again so I guess people

873
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:42,490
can just Google you as well right lots

874
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:44,410
of a lot of young you had their hundred

875
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:47,890
backs and young men's then they all it's

876
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:50,650
a very strange feeling is it really do

877
00:38:53,460 --> 00:38:52,240
you hope abdi have you found at time

878
00:38:55,380 --> 00:38:53,470
this weekend a lots of people being

879
00:38:57,390 --> 00:38:55,390
going yeah man yeah I was surprised how

880
00:39:00,990 --> 00:38:57,400
many I didn't expect that many people

881
00:39:03,870 --> 00:39:01,000
intend to to recognize me okay but I you

882
00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:03,880
know and the Australian contingencies or

883
00:39:07,350 --> 00:39:05,710
and then I just was just talking to a

884
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:07,360
bunch of people from South Africa to

885
00:39:13,140 --> 00:39:09,280
know survival is very popular in South

886
00:39:14,730 --> 00:39:13,150
Africa oh yes well you know I guess this

887
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:14,740
is the place to come because this is

888
00:39:18,180 --> 00:39:16,720
where the geeks gather and the geeks

889
00:39:20,580 --> 00:39:18,190
were right behind you on Survivor so

890
00:39:22,890 --> 00:39:20,590
thank you thanks for entertaining us for

891
00:39:24,660 --> 00:39:22,900
12 weeks and for you know not eating

892
00:39:26,220 --> 00:39:24,670
food and getting skinny and getting wet

893
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:26,230
and having a horrible time on a

894
00:39:30,289 --> 00:39:28,510
beautiful island but we hope to see on

895
00:39:31,789 --> 00:39:30,299
TV again soon yeoman thank you

896
00:39:33,979 --> 00:39:31,799
and I hope to see you in other events

897
00:39:37,939 --> 00:39:33,989
and I hope you have ten Australia again

898
00:39:39,739 --> 00:39:37,949
oh yes we hope to have it in 2012 so I

899
00:39:42,620 --> 00:39:39,749
make sure come out i'll give you talk

900
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:42,630
about the reality of reality TV that

901
00:39:47,749 --> 00:39:45,089
sounds awesome her to see the way you

902
00:39:50,660 --> 00:39:47,759
get some non non skeptics coming to you

903
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:50,670
10 yes get them into the movement yeah

904
00:39:54,499 --> 00:39:52,729
let's get some other people in ourselves

905
00:39:56,449 --> 00:39:54,509
skepticism is getting bigger and bigger

906
00:39:59,209 --> 00:39:56,459
so you know well the more the merrier

907
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:59,219
all right finally it yet a few years to

908
00:40:03,559 --> 00:40:01,920
get a foothold but I think we're moving

909
00:40:06,229 --> 00:40:03,569
in the right direction which I think

910
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:06,239
they're very I'm very grateful for that

911
00:40:09,799 --> 00:40:08,160
well thanks for joining us today on the

912
00:40:22,410 --> 00:40:09,809
skeptics I me all right well thank you

913
00:40:27,610 --> 00:40:25,330
did you know Jeff wag participated in an

914
00:40:29,260 --> 00:40:27,620
alien psychic challenge did you know

915
00:40:31,780 --> 00:40:29,270
that George Rob is an interstellar

916
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:31,790
singing sensation for these and other

917
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:33,530
stories you won't hear on the skeptic

918
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:35,690
zone go to the bolingbrook babbler

919
00:40:41,650 --> 00:40:39,710
that's ww bolingbrook babbler calm if

920
00:40:44,410 --> 00:40:41,660
you have any doubts just remember this

921
00:40:46,330 --> 00:40:44,420
the SGU couldn't debunk any of our

922
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:46,340
stories even when we offer them five

923
00:40:53,460 --> 00:40:48,800
dollars so read the bolingbrook babbler

924
00:41:06,480 --> 00:40:53,470
for the unbelievable truth that's ww bol

925
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:06,490
ing BR oh ok bab bler calm his my not

926
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:11,930
spooky action at the distance

927
00:41:17,010 --> 00:41:15,110
I'm speaking to dr. Leslie McDonald

928
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:17,020
wickes at the school of health sciences

929
00:41:22,450 --> 00:41:20,240
at the University of Newcastle she is a

930
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:22,460
nutritional biochemist is is that right

931
00:41:26,740 --> 00:41:24,530
Leslie my main area of expertise is in

932
00:41:28,930 --> 00:41:26,750
Dietetics I'm predominantly a dietician

933
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:28,940
but I do have a PhD and nutritional

934
00:41:33,820 --> 00:41:31,280
biochemistry why were you attracted to

935
00:41:36,850 --> 00:41:33,830
this area what made you want to have a

936
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:36,860
PhD in nutritional biochemistry I happen

937
00:41:41,860 --> 00:41:38,960
to be attracted to the area of fatty

938
00:41:43,930 --> 00:41:41,870
acids and antioxidants which fits nicely

939
00:41:46,180 --> 00:41:43,940
under a nutritional biochemistry label

940
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:46,190
fish oil yes or no is it as easy as that

941
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:48,560
with antioxidants nothing disease are

942
00:41:52,570 --> 00:41:50,720
fish I always but all that time doing

943
00:41:56,190 --> 00:41:52,580
all those exams Leslie and you can't say

944
00:41:58,210 --> 00:41:56,200
yes or no oh I would say that

945
00:42:00,810 --> 00:41:58,220
supplementing with fish oil for certain

946
00:42:03,220 --> 00:42:00,820
really clear ideas like around

947
00:42:04,930 --> 00:42:03,230
cholesterol metabolism and things like

948
00:42:06,970 --> 00:42:04,940
that it's got some really good evidence

949
00:42:08,860 --> 00:42:06,980
and fish oil is a really good supplement

950
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:08,870
for those for those things but as a

951
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:10,970
dietitian my first port of call is

952
00:42:15,850 --> 00:42:13,850
always eating first you want to have a

953
00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:15,860
healthy eating pattern including fish in

954
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:17,510
there rather than spending the money on

955
00:42:23,590 --> 00:42:21,200
supplements and Leslie the area of diet

956
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:23,600
I'd say would be one of those areas that

957
00:42:28,930 --> 00:42:27,440
would be full of whew as much as as I

958
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,940
don't know it's almost like that's the

959
00:42:31,810 --> 00:42:30,560
area where but there's a lot of scams

960
00:42:32,980 --> 00:42:31,820
going on where people like I mean

961
00:42:34,810 --> 00:42:32,990
there's a current a drowning at the

962
00:42:37,150 --> 00:42:34,820
moment this guy says you can lose six

963
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:37,160
kilograms in the first week or I'll give

964
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:38,570
you your money back kind of thing so you

965
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:40,010
must be fighting that kind of stuff all

966
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:42,290
the time you know we all eat so we all

967
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:44,240
feel to a certain degree that we have

968
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:47,330
expertise in eating and diets one of

969
00:42:52,060 --> 00:42:50,000
those words that has a whole range of

970
00:42:53,380 --> 00:42:52,070
connotations to different people and a

971
00:42:55,630 --> 00:42:53,390
lot of people feel like they have

972
00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:55,640
expertise in those areas and they do

973
00:42:59,440 --> 00:42:57,920
that you know it's such a popular area

974
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:59,450
and overweight and obesity is such a

975
00:43:04,090 --> 00:43:01,760
huge problem that we're facing that you

976
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:04,100
can come across that sort of ads like

977
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:06,170
you just saw we of course would would

978
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:08,240
not be happy to be trying to get someone

979
00:43:12,310 --> 00:43:10,250
to lose six kilos in one week and I

980
00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:12,320
would even go further than that to say

981
00:43:15,940 --> 00:43:14,510
you probably maybe don't even need to go

982
00:43:17,380 --> 00:43:15,950
to a professional because the answer is

983
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:17,390
usually right in front of you you

984
00:43:21,970 --> 00:43:19,520
basically exercise a little bit or you

985
00:43:24,070 --> 00:43:21,980
basically don't eat in more food than

986
00:43:25,809 --> 00:43:24,080
your body needs isn't that what we

987
00:43:28,209 --> 00:43:25,819
should all know that by now

988
00:43:30,339 --> 00:43:28,219
yeah and it sounds so easy doesn't it

989
00:43:32,349 --> 00:43:30,349
don't don't eat too much eat small

990
00:43:34,930 --> 00:43:32,359
portions and of the right types of foods

991
00:43:37,449 --> 00:43:34,940
and exercise a little bit but we live

992
00:43:39,069 --> 00:43:37,459
very complex lives and sometimes people

993
00:43:41,229 --> 00:43:39,079
just need a little bit of help in the

994
00:43:43,809 --> 00:43:41,239
the actual process the strategies about

995
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:43,819
how you do that very simple idea of

996
00:43:50,499 --> 00:43:47,089
eating healthy and exercising reasonably

997
00:43:53,049 --> 00:43:50,509
dr. Leslie McDonald wicks I've done an

998
00:43:55,059 --> 00:43:53,059
interview with dr. nicholas de patrizia

999
00:43:56,729 --> 00:43:55,069
of course who as discovered it looks

1000
00:43:58,479 --> 00:43:56,739
like there's a strong link between

1001
00:44:00,519 --> 00:43:58,489
endocannabinoid receptors in your

1002
00:44:02,380 --> 00:44:00,529
stomach and if they were able to be

1003
00:44:03,999 --> 00:44:02,390
blocked by an antagonist that means you

1004
00:44:06,969 --> 00:44:04,009
would not have as much craving or as

1005
00:44:09,219 --> 00:44:06,979
interest in fat food what what impact

1006
00:44:11,380 --> 00:44:09,229
would this have on obesity may not as

1007
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:11,390
you know I'm sure and as people who are

1008
00:44:16,269 --> 00:44:13,729
listening leaner will know obesity is a

1009
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:16,279
really really complex area and the

1010
00:44:22,269 --> 00:44:19,130
reasons why we do overeat or the reasons

1011
00:44:24,789 --> 00:44:22,279
why we do choose wrong foods are really

1012
00:44:27,849 --> 00:44:24,799
complex and their varied so when you

1013
00:44:30,910 --> 00:44:27,859
look at the sorts of research the doctor

1014
00:44:33,009 --> 00:44:30,920
deeper patricio is undertaking you can

1015
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:33,019
see that he's going to provide us with a

1016
00:44:37,779 --> 00:44:34,880
little bit of an insight into some of

1017
00:44:39,729 --> 00:44:37,789
the biochemical or metabolic processes

1018
00:44:41,890 --> 00:44:39,739
that might be underpinning some of the

1019
00:44:44,109 --> 00:44:41,900
choices that we're making but to think

1020
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,119
that something like this is the only

1021
00:44:49,299 --> 00:44:46,880
answer to obesity i think is being a

1022
00:44:52,689 --> 00:44:49,309
little bit naive there will be a place

1023
00:44:54,969 --> 00:44:52,699
in the care and treatment of people with

1024
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:54,979
obesity for drugs that might come out of

1025
00:44:58,900 --> 00:44:56,170
something like this sort of research

1026
00:45:00,969 --> 00:44:58,910
just as there's a place for a surgical

1027
00:45:03,069 --> 00:45:00,979
solution and just as there's a place

1028
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,079
that the sorts of counseling and

1029
00:45:08,620 --> 00:45:05,599
solutions that dietitians undertake

1030
00:45:10,689 --> 00:45:08,630
around getting people back into to

1031
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:10,699
normalized eating patterns yes I think

1032
00:45:13,809 --> 00:45:12,410
Nicholas Sayre has one element in there

1033
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:13,819
and I think even he would admit that it

1034
00:45:17,769 --> 00:45:15,410
would be any sort of cure for that but

1035
00:45:19,479 --> 00:45:17,779
it would be an interesting and people

1036
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:19,489
are always looking for the magic bullet

1037
00:45:24,430 --> 00:45:21,920
you find that with with the diet they

1038
00:45:26,049 --> 00:45:24,440
want one diet or they want one product

1039
00:45:27,789 --> 00:45:26,059
or something that can do it for them you

1040
00:45:29,949 --> 00:45:27,799
know they were looking for the you know

1041
00:45:30,999 --> 00:45:29,959
we're looking for the viagra of obesity

1042
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:31,009
that's what we're looking for the cure

1043
00:45:35,949 --> 00:45:33,650
it the evidence tells us that it's just

1044
00:45:38,140 --> 00:45:35,959
not going to be that simple even if you

1045
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:38,150
can find a pattern of eating that does

1046
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:39,410
lead people to lose one

1047
00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:41,690
they do initially lose weight but there

1048
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:43,910
is always this rebound effect or there

1049
00:45:48,819 --> 00:45:45,770
seems to be in the evidence is rebound

1050
00:45:51,579 --> 00:45:48,829
effect so a single magic bullets it's a

1051
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:51,589
bit of a naive idea I think the other

1052
00:45:56,260 --> 00:45:53,210
thing I just like to point out with Dr

1053
00:45:58,960 --> 00:45:56,270
Dee patios research is at the moment

1054
00:46:00,670 --> 00:45:58,970
it's exciting what he's found it looks

1055
00:46:03,039 --> 00:46:00,680
very novel and and we haven't heard

1056
00:46:05,710 --> 00:46:03,049
about these endocannabinoids having

1057
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:05,720
these sorts of effects on appetite from

1058
00:46:12,130 --> 00:46:08,720
a localized region in the stomach but

1059
00:46:14,890 --> 00:46:12,140
it's in rats he's doing this research in

1060
00:46:18,460 --> 00:46:14,900
rats he's doing it in a really stylized

1061
00:46:20,740 --> 00:46:18,470
manner and it has not yet at any point

1062
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:20,750
being able to be translated either into

1063
00:46:26,859 --> 00:46:24,160
a drug or into some form of a clinical

1064
00:46:28,569 --> 00:46:26,869
treatment program so even if they

1065
00:46:30,370 --> 00:46:28,579
fast-tracked it we've still got five to

1066
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:30,380
seven years where we have to eat salad

1067
00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:33,770
yeah and you know that's a really good

1068
00:46:38,170 --> 00:46:35,569
thing to sell it's really yummy with the

1069
00:46:40,510 --> 00:46:38,180
endocannabinoid research basically why

1070
00:46:43,180 --> 00:46:40,520
aren't all dope smokers incredibly fat

1071
00:46:45,220 --> 00:46:43,190
due to the munchies and you know I think

1072
00:46:48,010 --> 00:46:45,230
that's it's an interesting idea because

1073
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:48,020
I suppose you you need to try and look

1074
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:51,200
at that idea in two ways is it different

1075
00:46:53,859 --> 00:46:52,160
and I don't know that we have any

1076
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:53,869
evidence that dope smokers are any

1077
00:46:58,299 --> 00:46:55,970
fatter than their other wise the rest of

1078
00:46:59,769 --> 00:46:58,309
population I suspect they form they kept

1079
00:47:01,960 --> 00:46:59,779
count but they go across the entire

1080
00:47:03,970 --> 00:47:01,970
weight range that's possible but they do

1081
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:03,980
watch some great television they must

1082
00:47:08,019 --> 00:47:06,170
watch some great television if there is

1083
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:08,029
such a thing but I wonder if there's a

1084
00:47:13,029 --> 00:47:10,010
different effect between people who may

1085
00:47:14,799 --> 00:47:13,039
smoke occasionally and get munchies

1086
00:47:16,690 --> 00:47:14,809
effect if you like and maybe people who

1087
00:47:18,370 --> 00:47:16,700
are more chronic users they may not go

1088
00:47:19,539 --> 00:47:18,380
through the same effect what I'm

1089
00:47:21,789 --> 00:47:19,549
thinking about is the comfort-food

1090
00:47:23,710 --> 00:47:21,799
effect now as a dietitian this must be

1091
00:47:25,299 --> 00:47:23,720
something that is really people don't

1092
00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:25,309
need to eat sometimes but they do

1093
00:47:28,839 --> 00:47:27,529
because you know they're bored or

1094
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:28,849
they're watching TV and that's what they

1095
00:47:32,380 --> 00:47:30,650
always do and then watch TV or they're

1096
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:32,390
alone there's many reasons why we eat

1097
00:47:36,220 --> 00:47:34,160
food as you mentioned earlier is there a

1098
00:47:38,380 --> 00:47:36,230
way to transform instead of having

1099
00:47:39,789 --> 00:47:38,390
making comfort food be that fat stuff

1100
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:39,799
which fires off all these great things

1101
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:41,839
is there any way we can get celery to be

1102
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:43,490
our comfort food and enjoy it more

1103
00:47:48,250 --> 00:47:45,890
somehow we fall back on our ideas of

1104
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:48,260
comfort food and they become our habit

1105
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:50,210
foods and they become our go-to seeds

1106
00:47:53,230 --> 00:47:52,730
and some of the strategies that that

1107
00:47:55,450 --> 00:47:53,240
people

1108
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:55,460
need come to dietitians in order to help

1109
00:47:59,080 --> 00:47:57,290
them develop and and really it's a

1110
00:48:01,210 --> 00:47:59,090
partnership between the dietitian and

1111
00:48:03,130 --> 00:48:01,220
the patient to find the solution that

1112
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:03,140
works best for them let's get political

1113
00:48:06,340 --> 00:48:05,090
now doctor dr. Leslie it let's let's

1114
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:06,350
start alienating some members the

1115
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:08,210
audience's here when you're in the

1116
00:48:11,380 --> 00:48:10,250
supermarket and your your way to get

1117
00:48:12,730 --> 00:48:11,390
your groceries done you're all your

1118
00:48:14,890 --> 00:48:12,740
seller in your basket there obviously is

1119
00:48:17,290 --> 00:48:14,900
that's what you read and you see

1120
00:48:18,670 --> 00:48:17,300
magazines with people that are obviously

1121
00:48:20,109 --> 00:48:18,680
they've been photoshopped that's not the

1122
00:48:21,580 --> 00:48:20,119
way they look how does it make you feel

1123
00:48:23,260 --> 00:48:21,590
do you think I've got a lot more work

1124
00:48:25,060 --> 00:48:23,270
coming my way or does it just worried

1125
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:25,070
you about our society and young women

1126
00:48:30,070 --> 00:48:27,530
particularly and men who are vulnerable

1127
00:48:32,050 --> 00:48:30,080
zyzz well it's very true that men are

1128
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:32,060
becoming increasingly vulnerable to

1129
00:48:35,470 --> 00:48:33,770
these sorts of messages and I think

1130
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:35,480
there's a whole lot of evidence out

1131
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:37,850
there in the literature around how we

1132
00:48:42,250 --> 00:48:40,010
help people in general and especially

1133
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:42,260
people who are very hooked into popular

1134
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:44,720
culture can be really influenced by

1135
00:48:49,660 --> 00:48:46,640
these sorts of images and I think they

1136
00:48:52,690 --> 00:48:49,670
are concerning I myself when I look at

1137
00:48:54,940 --> 00:48:52,700
them don't necessarily believe them

1138
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:54,950
because like you say you know that these

1139
00:48:58,660 --> 00:48:56,480
people have been photoshopped and

1140
00:49:00,550 --> 00:48:58,670
they've lost any blemish or any curve

1141
00:49:02,530 --> 00:49:00,560
that's out of place and so I don't find

1142
00:49:04,570 --> 00:49:02,540
them as convincing go on about this

1143
00:49:05,980 --> 00:49:04,580
being reinforced to people also i'm just

1144
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:05,990
wondering if more and more people are

1145
00:49:10,060 --> 00:49:08,330
aware that it's a fantasy and they

1146
00:49:11,710 --> 00:49:10,070
actually know that i just wonder if more

1147
00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:11,720
and more people in young women and men

1148
00:49:14,770 --> 00:49:13,310
you know they know that that's a fantasy

1149
00:49:17,050 --> 00:49:14,780
in the first place and isn't that

1150
00:49:20,349 --> 00:49:17,060
something that we like to undertake

1151
00:49:22,090 --> 00:49:20,359
fantasy and and if it was kept to just a

1152
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:22,100
fantasy if it was kept is something that

1153
00:49:26,349 --> 00:49:24,530
we looked at as idealized and and we

1154
00:49:28,650 --> 00:49:26,359
could immerse ourselves in it for a

1155
00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:28,660
little bit and didn't have too much of a

1156
00:49:33,070 --> 00:49:31,250
negative impact perhaps it would be a

1157
00:49:34,780 --> 00:49:33,080
different thing but unfortunately i

1158
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:34,790
don't think that is what those images do

1159
00:49:39,940 --> 00:49:38,090
just personally myself feel that some of

1160
00:49:41,170 --> 00:49:39,950
those images are quite damaging who do

1161
00:49:43,690 --> 00:49:41,180
you think would be an image of someone

1162
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:43,700
who would be a good example for people i

1163
00:49:47,530 --> 00:49:45,770
mean sports people are often held up but

1164
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:47,540
then again they're pretty obsessive with

1165
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:49,010
training and i'm not sure everyone would

1166
00:49:51,370 --> 00:49:49,970
want to be that obsessive about

1167
00:49:53,380 --> 00:49:51,380
something either is there someone who

1168
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:53,390
you think is a is a good role model I

1169
00:49:56,980 --> 00:49:55,130
think that you have to find your role

1170
00:49:59,500 --> 00:49:56,990
models within your own life I know

1171
00:50:01,150 --> 00:49:59,510
that's a great piece of wisdom but again

1172
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:01,160
that's exactly like you know you should

1173
00:50:04,180 --> 00:50:02,720
need too much an exercise that means

1174
00:50:06,730 --> 00:50:04,190
we've actually got to do something dr.

1175
00:50:10,090 --> 00:50:06,740
Leslie yes I know sometimes

1176
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:10,100
the feeling of how difficult that is can

1177
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:13,280
be really quite paralyzing but it's a

1178
00:50:17,380 --> 00:50:15,200
step-by-step process and it's hopefully

1179
00:50:19,900 --> 00:50:17,390
something that dietitians or

1180
00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:19,910
practitioners in this area can help

1181
00:50:25,150 --> 00:50:22,310
people overcome that that sense of it's

1182
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:25,160
just too hard pharmacology developments

1183
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:27,290
are just one weapon in the arsenal of

1184
00:50:31,420 --> 00:50:29,690
obesity against obesity do I do feel

1185
00:50:33,340 --> 00:50:31,430
that there is a range of treatments that

1186
00:50:34,420 --> 00:50:33,350
we're going to have to offer people so

1187
00:50:36,730 --> 00:50:34,430
that they can make a choice that

1188
00:50:39,340 --> 00:50:36,740
personally fits with their life but I

1189
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:39,350
would be wary of a magic bullet approach

1190
00:50:45,580 --> 00:50:42,650
because for such a complex disease we

1191
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:45,590
limit ourselves if we try and take a

1192
00:50:48,850 --> 00:50:47,570
simplistic view of it if there was any

1193
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:48,860
information on the internet there that

1194
00:50:52,810 --> 00:50:50,480
you would suggest we could go to to get

1195
00:50:53,859 --> 00:50:52,820
true information about some dietary

1196
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:53,869
issues there what would you recommend

1197
00:50:58,090 --> 00:50:56,000
well the internet provides us with a lot

1198
00:51:00,040 --> 00:50:58,100
of good information but you need to view

1199
00:51:01,180 --> 00:51:00,050
that information with a critical eye and

1200
00:51:03,460 --> 00:51:01,190
think about whether or not it's

1201
00:51:04,780 --> 00:51:03,470
realistic there are some very good sites

1202
00:51:07,900 --> 00:51:04,790
out there but there's also a lot of

1203
00:51:30,980 --> 00:51:07,910
information that could be spurious at

1204
00:51:34,860 --> 00:51:33,210
wow thank you for listening to the

1205
00:51:36,930 --> 00:51:34,870
skeptic zone what an interesting episode

1206
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:36,940
this week I think I'm still a bit

1207
00:51:41,220 --> 00:51:39,370
jet-lagged you know and my voice

1208
00:51:44,460 --> 00:51:41,230
certainly doesn't cope well on those

1209
00:51:46,730 --> 00:51:44,470
long flights across the Pacific and in

1210
00:51:48,990 --> 00:51:46,740
that casino environment nevermind

1211
00:51:52,050 --> 00:51:49,000
nevermind next week on the skeptics earn

1212
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:52,060
more interviews from tam 9 tam 9 from

1213
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:55,290
outer space it was called and i'll just

1214
00:52:01,770 --> 00:51:58,090
all right well rest now i have a bit of

1215
00:52:03,420 --> 00:52:01,780
a recovery I'm i trace downstairs what

1216
00:52:07,170 --> 00:52:03,430
will it be this week folks what will be

1217
00:52:11,010 --> 00:52:07,180
the drink be what will the drink be but

1218
00:52:13,380 --> 00:52:11,020
you can't guess honey Mead I'm gonna

1219
00:52:15,660 --> 00:52:13,390
race down have some honey Mead I don't

1220
00:52:18,090 --> 00:52:15,670
think I've I even got any honey made no

1221
00:52:21,210 --> 00:52:18,100
go out and buy some let you enjoy the

1222
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:21,220
rest of your week handle then this is

1223
00:52:25,950 --> 00:52:23,770
Richard Saunders signing off from I

1224
00:52:28,410 --> 00:52:25,960
think it is and that's my air ticket

1225
00:52:35,220 --> 00:52:28,420
brought me someone else a Sydney

1226
00:52:39,900 --> 00:52:35,230
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